SleepDoc_PDX said:PurityPaulOR said: ...we're creating a generation dependent on cardiovascular risk...
Mendelian randomization evidence supporting GLP-1 pathway modulation for cardiovascular risk: genetic variants in the GLP1R gene region associated with lower BMI also show associations with reduced cardiovascular risk, confirming a causal pathway[1].
This "natural experiment" (people born with genetically higher GLP-1 signaling being leaner and healthier) provides orthogonal evidence supporting the pharmacological approach. When genetic epidemiology, clinical trials, and mechanistic studies all converge, confidence in the therapeutic approach is high.
[1] Zheng SL, et al. Lancet Diabetes Endocrinol. 2023;11(12):869-879.
LarryQC_SD said:Agreed, and the adaptation point cuts both ways: tachyphylaxis to gastric emptying is why tolerability improves, and it is also why people who were…
That reframing is the part I needed. Sending this to two other people who asked me the same thing last week.
SleepDoc_PDX said:PurityPaulOR said: ...we're creating a generation dependent on cardiovascular risk...
NNT calculation for cardiovascular risk clinical endpoints: NNT = 1/ARR (absolute risk reduction).
From SELECT trial: MACE at 39 months — 6.5% semaglutide vs 8.0% placebo. ARR = 1.5%. NNT = 67 over 3.3 years.
Compare to established therapies:
| Intervention | NNT | Timeframe |
|---|---|---|
| Semaglutide (MACE) | 67 | 3.3 years |
| Statins primary prevention (MI) | ~100 | 5 years |
| Aspirin secondary prevention | ~77 | 2 years |
These NNTs are clinically meaningful and comparable to accepted cardiovascular interventions.
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Browse GL BiochemZaraB_AL said:My reason for being on this is cardiovascular rather than cosmetic, which puts me in a small minority in most of these threads.
ZaraB_AL said:...cardiovascular risk is just another fad...
I understand the skepticism — we've all seen "miracle" weight loss solutions come and go. But consider what makes GLP-1 agonists different:
- Phase 3 RCTs with thousands of participants (not 20-person pilot studies)
- Published in NEJM, JAMA, Lancet (not press releases)
- Replicated across multiple independent research groups
- Proven cardiovascular and renal benefits beyond weight loss
- Biological mechanism fully characterized at the receptor level
This isn't a fad — it's a new drug class supported by the highest level of clinical evidence. The comparison to past fads is understandable but inappropriate.